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he was two years old he saw a lady on TV
00:15
and he said I wasn't with those when I
00:17
was a girl
00:21
so I said all right when were you a girl
00:25
I said before I came to you
00:27
this came out over a period of time
00:30
before he came to us he had been a girl
00:34
and he got married and he married a man
00:37
called George and they've had a baby and
00:40
George didn't like the baby so she had
00:45
taken herself and the child to a bridge
00:48
and jumped off it and killed herself in
00:50
the child my son was two years old and
01:02
he suddenly said mummy
01:05
well as an old man I was very very sad
01:08
and I asked him why he said it was
01:14
because his house had burnt down and his
01:16
two daughters had been standing at the
01:18
bedroom window in their smocks and they
01:22
were burnt to death
01:25
around the world thousands of children
01:28
from different backgrounds and religions
01:30
have described a life they have lived
01:33
before the belief in the survival of the
01:37
soul is an ancient one but the fact that
01:39
these children talk about events which
01:41
seem beyond their childhood experience
01:43
is considered by some to be evidence of
01:47
reincarnation
02:07
button on your radio dial
02:19
personality studies
02:22
yes we're division within the Department
02:24
of psychiatric medicine at the
02:26
University of Virginia at the division
02:30
of personality studies in
02:32
Charlottesville Virginia
02:33
there are 2,700 documented cases of
02:37
children who talk about a previous life
02:40
these children come from around the
02:43
world southern Asia West Africa Europe
02:46
and the United States scientists at the
02:51
center of international research are
02:53
hoping to find proof of reincarnation
02:55
so they carefully investigate new cases
02:58
as they emerge my son Harley was three
03:06
years and three months old when I first
03:08
heard him speak of something which
03:09
indicates a prior life experience it was
03:11
on Halloween 1997 I don't have a problem
03:15
believing in reincarnation though until
03:16
Harley started telling me things about
03:18
his other mama I never really thought
03:20
about it in any concrete way I would
03:22
like to ask him more about it but I
03:24
don't want to do so in a way that will
03:25
suggest answers to him any suggestions
03:28
sincerely pamela pesco Salido
03:33
you
03:38
I'm in a town called Exeter California
03:41
which has about 10,000 people and I'm
03:45
going to visit a mother and a little boy
03:49
who has said some things about having
03:52
lived before
03:55
we've got over a hundred American cases
03:59
in the files and they tend to break down
04:03
into two camps they're the same family
04:06
cases where the child remembers a
04:09
deceased relative I have been there the
04:13
unsolved stranger cases like this one
04:16
where the child has made statements
04:20
about a stranger that so far we've not
04:24
been able to identify the best case
04:29
scenarios that I meet with them they're
04:34
very straightforward and seem like
04:36
honest reasonable people he's made a
04:40
fair number of rather specific
04:43
statements so if I'm able to verify it
04:46
it'll be a very strong case
04:57
the worst case scenario I suppose the
05:01
worst would be where I begin to suspect
05:04
it's fraud as far as we know we only
05:07
have the mother as a witness so even if
05:10
we assess her and don't think that fraud
05:13
would be involved it does increase the
05:15
chance that she had simply
05:16
misinterpreted some statements that the
05:19
board has made Pam hi I'm Jim Tucker
05:24
good to meet you and this must be Harley
05:29
hi Harley
05:51
this is Jim Tucker this is an interview
05:54
with Pam Pesce cielito on May 28 2010
05:59
Harley who is the subject
06:05
all right so when was the first time
06:08
that Harley said anything that might be
06:11
related to this when he was a - around -
06:17
he when he got in trouble or sent to his
06:21
room or for something he would sit in
06:22
his room howling over and over again I
06:25
want my mama even though when I walked
06:27
in the room and stood in front of him
06:29
saying Here I am he would still keep
06:32
saying I want my mama then when he was
06:35
three on Halloween we went
06:39
trick-or-treating at one of the
06:40
neighborhoods over there on the other
06:41
side of town
06:42
we pretty much exhausted the
06:44
possibilities of that particular
06:46
neighborhood and I said okay well let's
06:47
get in the truck and drive over to the
06:48
other side of town and he said oh you
06:50
mean the part of town where we used to
06:52
live and I said well we've never lived
06:55
in town and he said oh I'm when I lived
06:58
with my other mama I was like that your
07:03
other mama and who was that I don't know
07:09
if it was then or or later that he said
07:11
I've heard her name was Stacey yeah you
07:16
remember that
07:24
today we dimension the road being paid
07:27
for had you guys done anything special
07:28
are you just there's like our way up
07:30
from work there are other statements
07:32
that added to Pam's concern Polly had
07:36
pointed to a road they passed every day
07:38
and said oh they've paved it now
07:41
yet the road was paved thirty years
07:43
before he talked about an older brother
07:47
pushing him out of a tree and going on a
07:49
camping trip to the mountains with his
07:51
other mother Stacy
07:53
Hartley's story fits the pattern of many
07:56
of these cases he said these things
07:58
repeatedly when he first learned to
08:00
speak and stopped when he began school
08:02
at the age of five Harley also had a
08:06
birthmark which in such cases is thought
08:08
to be a physical reminder of injuries
08:11
received in the previous life he could
08:14
also remember his own death and he had
08:18
also mentioned when he died I think it
08:21
he said 15 or 17 or I honestly don't
08:24
remember right now but it was a teenaged
08:27
age and I think in the letter you
08:33
mentioned he said he died in a car
08:34
accident right in a car accident I asked
08:37
him how he died anything in the car
08:39
accident I mean I believed him I believe
08:45
that he was saying something that was
08:48
true to him
08:52
it's like I believe that you believe it
08:54
no it did not seem that he was kidding
08:58
he did not seem like he was kidding
09:01
because he would say it all it just very
09:04
matter-of-factly usually when he's
09:06
making up stories he puts on his silly
09:07
little boys like yeah I know but he
09:11
wasn't doing that at all no don't break
09:17
your neck please it's possible that he
09:22
was doing to make believe and that she
09:25
took it a little too seriously
09:28
certainly a lot of kids have imaginary
09:30
friends that is sort of make-believe but
09:33
where they're not quite sure that it's
09:34
mainly I didn't get the sense that Pam
09:40
was particularly wrapped up in the idea
09:43
of having a child who was a repressed
09:44
taste I mean even though she agreed to a
09:47
television interview she is keeping it
09:50
pretty hush-hush I'm she hadn't even
09:52
told her mother so I don't think she's
09:55
seeking publicity or anything like that
10:02
it's a very Christian right wing sort of
10:05
town and they I just don't know that
10:09
these new agey sorts of ideas you want
10:13
to call them those that are something
10:15
that would go over big with the local
10:16
community but I don't know maybe they
10:20
would be Jesus got born again so who's
10:26
to say authentication of Harley's story
10:30
is essential if this case is to be
10:32
anything other than a curiosity the key
10:37
is to find whether Hartley's previous
10:40
personality ever existed I started at
10:44
the date of Harley's birth I'm just
10:48
working my way back looking through the
10:50
obituaries and any stories of car
10:55
accidents like here's an accident where
10:59
six people were injured but it looks
11:01
like nothing to kill if we find that a
11:05
15 year old named Jonathan was killed in
11:09
a car accident and he get a mother named
11:10
Stacy you know we had our man
11:18
well I went through the newspaper
11:20
archives that only got through 94 and
11:24
983 I found one Jonathan that was 19
11:28
when he was killed in a car accident of
11:32
course Harley had said that he was 15
11:39
but also the mother's name didn't match
11:42
I think this one his name Sylvia where
11:45
the one thing that Harley seemed certain
11:47
to Belle is that his mother had been
11:49
named Stacy where are you gonna get what
11:55
no no I need the picture you're just
11:56
standing there
11:58
finding a previous personality match
12:00
isn't scientific proof of reincarnation
12:03
but these cases constantly throw up
12:06
questions which investigators are
12:08
compelled to address yeah thank you very
12:10
much good job and my experiences the
12:21
child psychiatrist it seems clear that
12:23
three and four year olds do not have any
12:26
meaningful understanding of death he may
12:30
say it but not running of any means when
12:32
many of these children speak of having
12:36
to find like that
12:37
that implies that a sudden death or a
12:40
violent death contributes to the
12:44
children being able to remember it
12:46
doesn't necessarily mean that
12:49
contributes to the reincarnating of that
12:52
would be a possibility
13:05
it busy man Berlin after the accident I
13:09
was watching what was being done to me
13:11
my younger sister cried a lot
13:14
there was a garland of my body when I
13:16
was brought home I've seen a photograph
13:18
of my corpse and the garland is there in
13:21
the photograph I can't remember much
13:25
after that
13:27
I was in darkness and saw some light I
13:31
remember coming in the direction of the
13:33
light and then I was reborn
14:01
in the east
14:03
there is a long-established tradition of
14:05
children with past life memories in
14:08
Buddhism the main religion in Sri Lanka
14:11
there is a firm belief that the Dead
14:13
will be reborn back into the physical
14:15
world on the path towards spiritual
14:18
enlightenment or Nirvana this is a
14:23
culture where reincarnation isn't a hope
14:25
but an expectation dr. Erlinda haraldson
14:32
has investigated over 60 cases in sri
14:35
lanka he is found that compared to the
14:38
West children here recall specific
14:41
details which makes it easier to
14:43
discover the identity of the person the
14:45
child claims to have been before dr.
14:48
harold s'en considers the case of poor
14:50
Nima to be one of his strongest I came
14:54
to know the case of Buddha Nima in 1996
14:58
and I purposed it was not the nineteen
15:03
into January 2000 so we studied it for
15:09
some while we can say like for three
15:11
years
15:13
dr. harrelson and his interpreter have
15:16
visited poor Nina's family many times to
15:18
investigate her story they live in a
15:21
small town called baka muna in the
15:23
central province her father is a head
15:26
teacher of a local school all her family
15:29
are practicing Buddhists till uncle
15:33
agreed a school even when poor Nima was
15:35
about school-age she asked me if I
15:36
wanted to know where her mother and
15:38
father were from I thought she meant me
15:40
and my husband so I ignored her and she
15:43
said her other parents were living in
15:45
Colonia about 140 miles away from here
15:48
she went on talking about her previous
15:50
life she talked about fragrance a sweet
15:53
smell anything she made
15:56
own food or clothes she said I want to
15:58
take it to my mother-in-law on it
16:02
purnima was three years old when she
16:05
started talking about her past life but
16:07
what's unusual is that now age 12 she
16:10
still has the same memories family said
16:13
it beating me gimme I was a man before
16:16
my real name is jenna dasa I was caught
16:20
in a sauna but they call me dinner dasa
16:22
I had a sister in younger brothers
16:25
mindin I am EDI he what I did in those
16:30
days was to manufacture incense steps
16:33
and then distribute evenly shops we had
16:36
vehicles but mostly I went on post bike
16:39
I spent a lot of time traveling from
16:41
place to place
16:42
Loretta Linden as a small child Ponemah
16:47
could describe not just the way she used
16:49
to make incense but the names of the
16:52
brand's she sold
16:53
Ambika and get a pitcher her parents
16:56
were baffled
17:05
in Colonia and Gorda 140 miles away live
17:09
the VG city family who are incense
17:11
makers they are the only family in the
17:14
country registered to make Ambika and
17:17
get abuja incense the brand's Ponemah
17:20
talked about one member of this family
17:23
gina dasa was killed in an accident four
17:26
years before Ponemah was born when
17:28
Poornima first described her past life
17:31
memories these families separated by
17:34
distance and class had never met oh yeah
17:39
Jenna dasa was my brother he
17:43
manufactured incense sticks for a living
17:45
we worked together before he had his
17:47
accident was it but anger TV and elegido
17:52
Anila that day Junaid Arthur and I we
17:56
started together from Galvani junction
17:58
and separated at will in Picchu
18:00
we were on push bikes with our incense
18:02
packed in boxes
18:03
Junaid also said he was going to dull
18:05
Kanda so I sawed my incense nearby and
18:09
someone asked me where is Jenna dasa I
18:12
got down to the Del counted unction and
18:15
I had to cross the road I got off my
18:18
bike and tried to cross to the other
18:20
side and I saw a bus coming I didn't
18:23
like the where it was heading towards me
18:25
but then the bus came right by did not
18:28
me down when I opened my eyes I was on
18:32
to the bars yeah
18:45
like real while the other way at about
18:48
2:00 in the afternoon the police came
18:50
and show me a packet of incense and said
18:52
that the person who was selling this had
18:53
been run over by a bus it was the new
18:56
goda police and they had a packet of
18:58
Ambika incense and then I realized what
19:01
it meant
19:12
when she was very young
19:14
for Nima's memories were overwhelming
19:16
she had difficulty in separating her
19:19
past life from her present one then when
19:22
she was five a new teacher came to work
19:24
at her father's school he lived in the
19:27
area where she claimed to have lived
19:28
before then Maggie we'd little bit of
19:32
the body the Nima's father is my head
19:34
teacher I work in his school in the week
19:37
and go home to kill her near at weekends
19:39
I told him that I could make
19:41
investigations he didn't tell me to do
19:44
it I went home and mentioned this and my
19:47
brother-in-law said that he didn't
19:48
believe in rebirth he suggested we
19:51
investigate the matter together to see
19:53
if there was any truth to the story
19:55
Martine I mad at you
20:04
of the mayor Xavier huddle you made
20:07
inquiries here first because Purnima
20:09
remembered praying at this famous temple
20:11
in kill in the air before we asked if
20:14
there was anyone near here who made
20:15
incense sticks I was told there was a
20:18
village across the water over there
20:20
where there were several families who
20:21
made them we managed to find the place
20:24
and eventually discovered that someone
20:26
who made incense sticks had died in a
20:28
road accident
20:33
don't overload when the teacher suma
20:36
Nasiri reported back with positive
20:38
information we spoke to poor NEMA about
20:41
it and decided to go there I realized it
20:44
was true because poor NEMA had directed
20:46
the driver straight to the house after
20:49
we got out she led us there I couldn't
20:52
believe how strong her memories were if
20:54
she talked about how we'd pass upon and
20:56
described the house exactly as being on
20:59
a higher level in the road for NEMA was
21:08
only five years old when she first met
21:11
the family she has kept in written
21:13
contact over the years
21:39
all the family including Gina the tsa's
21:42
wife and daughter are convinced that
21:44
this 12 year old girl is his
21:46
reincarnation
21:50
they said they were sure from the moment
21:53
they first met
22:01
if I remember one day I was coming back
22:05
across the paddy fields and he young
22:07
girl was pointing at me and saying that
22:08
I was her brother-in-law I heard her
22:11
saying it she asked for her sister my
22:14
wife who wasn't here then she asked
22:17
where is she she went right around the
22:19
house looking for incense sticks that we
22:21
used to sell yeyo
22:23
she asked for a particular packet of
22:25
incense the packet wasn't here when she
22:27
came but we made it at the time when
22:29
Jana dasa was alive she asked why have
22:33
we changed the colors she was looking
22:35
for the vans she was asking lots of
22:37
questions
22:59
Parramatta Mail on the day of the trial
23:02
over Jenna das is dead we had to go to
23:05
the police station first her NEMA was
23:07
there too she went up to Jinnah dass's
23:10
sister and sat on her lap and kissed her
23:12
and called her my younger sister the
23:14
police were very confused and the
23:17
magistrate said it was very unusual she
23:21
kissed me
23:22
she knew who I was I was amazed when a
23:26
five year old is calling a grown woman
23:28
her younger sister it's a surprising
23:30
thing
23:39
I think the fact that they put this
23:42
that's the majority of the population
23:44
they believe in reincarnation that
23:47
certainly has an effect on the cases I
23:52
think here in Sri Lanka when a child
23:56
starts speaking about the previous life
23:58
I think then people here will listen
24:00
more carefully and they would listen in
24:03
Europe or North America in spite of that
24:11
there is an important additional factor
24:14
in this case about this after this
24:16
family was identified some way statement
24:20
come to fit then additionally to that it
24:24
turned out that Panama had the very
24:26
market the birth marks on the left side
24:30
of a chest at least a birthmark
24:32
correspond to the fatal injuries of
24:37
generosity were able to trace the
24:40
postmortem report regarding the death of
24:43
gino dasa he was run over by a bus and
24:48
his ribs on the left side were broken
24:52
they penetrate his lungs and probably
24:55
the greatest pain he felt was on the
24:58
side on the left side but of course
25:02
birthmarks start to form an embryo they
25:06
are not a matter of any cultural
25:08
influence Larry Ganem when I was little
25:16
I'd never heard of rebirth or
25:17
reincarnation I was going on my own
25:20
memory Miami when I went to see the
25:23
family I came to realize that rebirth
25:26
was something real something fracture
25:29
I learned about it through my experience
25:32
alone
25:36
these cases are suggestive of
25:39
reincarnating well someone said in the
25:43
night I believe in ghosts
25:45
but never during the day so profusely
25:47
from up to slowpokes
25:49
I have no idea what there's life after
25:59
death I have no idea whether God exists
26:02
I study the psychology of deception I've
26:05
look at the psychology behind
26:07
essentially things like magic tricks for
26:08
example how is that we managed to fool
26:10
ourselves we're watching a magician when
26:13
we go along to a magic show we want to
26:14
be fooled we make certain assumptions we
26:16
allow ourselves to be fooled when people
26:19
investigate reincarnation lots of
26:21
investigators want the claims to be true
26:23
then I partial the tool they want to
26:25
believe that people live before and so
26:27
they're prepared to make assumptions
26:28
prepare to look at the evidence
26:29
in a certain way and essentially in my
26:31
opinion trip themselves up
26:43
we conducted an experiment which assess
26:47
the role of of chance and prevalence of
26:50
reincarnation and essentially we wanted
26:53
to come up with a situation which was
26:56
very similar to what's happening in
26:57
actual cases of alleged reincarnation
27:00
there you have children saying they have
27:02
lived before the families go away they
27:05
look at often several families who
27:07
unfortunately lost a child and they find
27:09
matches with one particular family in
27:15
our experiment we went to four children
27:18
and simply ask them to make up an
27:20
imaginary person Katie Katie
27:28
what would he do he left to go to bed go
27:32
you like to miss his bedroom yeah little
27:35
girl cleaned up my house once we had the
27:45
stories we then needed to match them or
27:48
try and match them against various
27:50
actual deaths of children now the way in
27:54
which we did that was to look through
27:56
databases from national newspapers for
27:59
our child deaths of various types what
28:04
we found was with one particular story
28:07
there are in fact an incredible number
28:09
of matches
28:18
it was Molly that gave us the most
28:22
interesting case when we asked her to
28:24
make up an imaginary person she came up
28:26
with a child called Katie she said she
28:30
was an only child that she had red hair
28:31
blue eyes that she was dressed in pink
28:35
clothing that had a pattern on it and
28:36
particularly had flowers on it
28:44
that she was age three she enjoyed going
28:46
to the beach but that she'd run away in
28:48
fact run away from mummy that the
28:50
monsters had come as to what the
28:52
monsters looked like and they said that
28:54
they'll shed the bill like me that
28:57
actually the monsters are bitter and
28:59
actually killed her now
29:01
we came across instance where
29:03
unfortunately a child had been abducted
29:05
and killed and there were very very
29:07
strong similarities between the two
29:09
cases for example the child had been
29:12
abducted was an only child she had got
29:15
red hair she had got blue eyes
29:17
that's exactly as Molly described her on
29:19
the day that she's abducted she was
29:22
dressed in pink she had got patterned
29:25
clothing on and particularly she's
29:27
wearing a t-shirt with a flower on it
29:29
she was aged 3 she lived very close to
29:32
the beach she did run away on her own
29:34
and that's when a captain came along
29:37
took her away and unfortunately killed
29:39
her and you know he'd has looked rather
29:43
a lot like me
29:47
let's imagine that Molly had turned
29:50
round and said no I've lived before and
29:52
that Katie was my previous life we would
29:56
be looking at probably the best
29:58
reincarnation case of the century this
30:01
essentially is strong evidence
30:03
unfortunately as evidence against
30:05
reincarnation people should realize that
30:08
chance does explain quite a lot of
30:10
what's going on in the quotes genuine
30:12
reincarnation cases
30:22
scientific evidence of reincarnation is
30:24
obviously hard to prove coincidence and
30:28
religious belief may account for
30:29
children like Ponemah but can it really
30:32
explain the increasing number of
30:34
children with past life memories now
30:36
coming forward in the West but for those
30:44
around them it offers reassurance
30:47
perhaps in the West the belief in
30:50
reincarnation is a powerful way of
30:52
coming to terms with things we cannot
30:54
control
31:03
death is real
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you can'tyou from eyes it you can't talk
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about it as falling asleep or passing
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away or whatever a person who is dead is
31:13
actually dead we are not on the whole
31:19
used up death it's done in in places
31:22
like hospitals or hospices death and
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endings are something that none of us
31:27
can ever make sense of completely
31:31
reincarnation at one level holds the
31:34
living and the dead together it says
31:35
there is a link between the living and
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the dead we've given up the formal
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Christian belief system which
31:43
historically was used to make some sort
31:46
of sense of death but it is a question
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of how we develop if you like a language
31:51
and a set of symbols that help us cope
31:55
with mysteries and realities like death
31:58
that's the one problem with these drugs
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they leave me very tired 25% of people
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in Britain nominally a Christian country
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now believe in reincarnation although
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mainstream religions reject it religious
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beliefs are becoming a matter of
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personal choice so we pick and choose
32:18
ideas which bring us comfort
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there's solace in the belief that a life
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will be constantly recycled
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there's a case in Britain of a woman
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who's had past life memories since
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childhood and has been accepted by a
32:46
family as the reincarnation of their
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late mother in this they find great
32:51
comfort there would be Roman Catholics
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we do not believe in reincarnation
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that's what we were taught and when
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Jenny said that she was the
33:02
reincarnation of him mother well I I
33:06
felt a bit dubious about it but that's
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very hard to explain to me there's no
33:14
way that Jenny could make that up
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because so she told me something that
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nobody else remembers or nimi sunny
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Sutton grew up in a town called malahide
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in Southern Ireland he's the oldest of
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eight children his mother died when he
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was 13 years old but a few years ago a
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woman called Jenny kokal contacted him
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claiming to be his mother Mary Mary was
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to me who I was who I had been I had
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very personal memories of bringing up
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those children when I was a small child
33:56
she was still a part of me
34:05
Jenny began to tell me about the
34:08
nightmares and why she often woke up
34:10
crying and but that was because she had
34:15
nightmares about being an adult dying I
34:19
just feel awful
34:22
this was beyond my experience this was
34:24
my daughter I could do nothing to help
34:26
her nothing to ease her pain nothing to
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make her feel better except be there
34:30
when she wanted to talk and just wait to
34:32
see what developed Jenny dreamt that she
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died in a hospital room leaving her
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eight children alone and vulnerable
34:41
Sonny's mother Mary had died in a
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hospital in Dublin and after her death
34:46
his seven brothers and sisters were
34:48
split up and sent away to orphanages he
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didn't see them again for many years I
34:55
grew up with his sense of having
34:58
deserted my children I'd let them down
35:02
that um I knew that if I possibly could
35:08
find them I would ever since Jenny first
35:13
talked about her memories of Mary when
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she was four years old she held on to
35:18
them all through her childhood into her
35:20
adulthood until she was able to
35:22
investigate them herself she visited the
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town of malahide which he could draw
35:28
from memory when she was a child and
35:30
found the ruins of the cottage where she
35:32
lived as Mary she relied on local
35:36
records of the area to track down the
35:38
surname of the family and then traced
35:40
each of the children one by one I
35:44
started at the window this day and his
35:46
care pulled up outside and this person
35:49
got out and I said to wavey say this is
35:54
a person can know the car so he's very
35:56
looks very much like me mother
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I say no
36:08
Jenny hurt us soft gentle voice to say
36:11
anymore dad I don't know jacket oh thank
36:15
you oh there's the same as mine is it
36:17
just rather telling me I'm dreams
36:19
memories I know I said to myself my god
36:24
powder how can she know all this I could
36:29
remember standing on a jetty and it was
36:33
dusk and I was waiting for a boat and
36:38
sometimes I've had that as a memory and
36:40
sometimes it would come back as a dream
36:41
but it was one of those ones it left me
36:43
the question who was I waiting for who
36:46
was on the boat and what Oh used to come
36:49
down to meet me and you sit under stone
36:53
steps after the jelly waiting for the
36:55
board to come in he understand to meet
36:58
me he's your mommy we're half an hour so
37:06
we were exchanging our hearts of
37:09
memories I would give him half of an
37:12
incident and he'd finish it off I was so
37:18
happy for her but after all these years
37:21
of agonizing about everything and been
37:23
so concerned about the children and
37:25
unable to do anything I'll find out
37:28
anything to finally find that they were
37:33
all right it all had good lives that
37:36
what had happened to them being sent to
37:37
orphan she hasn't destroyed them as
37:39
people I was just so happy for her
37:44
the way I looked at it was my mom do it
37:47
I said to myself that's my life is gone
37:51
without her what am I going to do
37:53
I love me more than I lost my mother and
37:58
Jenny's coming to me life now she's a
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great substitute for my mother my elder
38:11
son was killed in 1986 and his daughter
38:16
was killed last year but it does make it
38:20
a little bit easier being convinced that
38:23
there's continuation I'm sorry about
38:26
this not easier and half obviously
38:36
Christians say the soul doesn't die and
38:38
it obviously doesn't it goes from person
38:40
to person which is something I couldn't
38:44
have believed myself thinking at one
38:47
time but has now become blazingly
38:51
obvious
39:01
most religious or spiritual beliefs
39:04
bring comfort and meaning to our lives
39:09
just because people want to believe in
39:12
reincarnation doesn't mean it isn't true
39:17
there are thousands of children who
39:19
persistently describe memories of events
39:22
that seem beyond their understanding and
39:25
experience while scientists and
39:29
investigators have observed this
39:30
phenomenon they have yet to explain why
39:33
these children talk about their past
39:35
lives they remain an enigma she suddenly
39:44
turned round and said when I was a baby
39:47
my mum you fell down the stairs with me
39:49
and I went into the fire and I died that
39:52
I came alive again in my mummy I've
39:55
never known another child
39:56
to say things like that and I've been
39:58
teaching for 12 years now
40:03
when she started which is all he can't
40:05
ignore but the more that it goes on I
40:07
mean even her brothers so today united
40:09
arrest over people on about your rather
40:11
than your moment your other she's always
40:13
got this other mommy and daddy
40:15
machete she has book she got a good
40:17
imagination and she's full of it but I
40:19
do think maybe something there don't
40:21
quite know why or how there are people
40:30
out there starving not only Latin
40:32
African cases like that but in where
40:35
you're actually living now
40:36
and when you skip a meal you kind of get
40:39
like this or feeling like sometimes I
40:42
just feel like it's like a really bitey
40:45
theme like something's biting you and
40:48
it's like oh I wish there was something
40:51
dad to eat but there's nothing now so
40:54
you just have to kind of like relax and
40:57
like watch telly